MELTING POT

DISCOGRAPHY PART 5

-pre Charlatans (related) releases-

Compiled by Ger Potze since August 1995
On-line since January 1998
Section added August 13-14, 2000
Last modified: August 8, 2003

Makin' Time (1985-1986)

Martin Blunt (bass) Mark 'Syd' McGounden (guitar, vocals) Fay Hallam (organ, piano, vocals) Neil Clitheroe (drums)

7" single Countdown VAIN1	Here Is My Number / Nothing Else	June 1985
7" picture disc Countdown PVAIN1	Here Is My Number / Nothing Else	June 1985
12" single Countdown VAIN112	Here Is My Number / Nothing Else / I Get A Love From You	June 1985
LP/MC Countdown DOWN1	Rhythm And Soul Take What You Can Get / Feels Like It's Love / Here Is My Number / Only Time Will Tell / Did I Tell You / Honey / I Gotta Move / Where The Rhythm Take You / Every Single Day / The Girl That Touched My Soul / I Know What You're Thinking / Stop This Cryin' Inside	June 1985
7" single Countdown VAIN2	Feels Like It's Love / Honey (fast version)	October 1985
12" single Countdown 12VAIN2	Feels Like It's Love (different mix) / Honey (fast version) / Boom Boom	October 1985
compilation MC Countdown DREW1	The Countdown Compilation incl. Only Time Will Tell	1985
compilation LP Stiff Records	Stiff 15 Stupefaction incl. Here Is My Number	1985
7" single Countdown VAIN5	Pump It Up / Walk A Thin Line	April 1986
12" single Countdown 12VAIN5	Pump It Up / Once Again / Walk A Thin Line / Eating Up The Cold	April 1986
LP Ready To Eat READY1	No Lumps Of Fat Or Gristle Guaranteed No Wind, No Rain / Need Somebody / Sent A Letter To Mary / The Way It Happens To Be / She Crept Up From Behind / Two Coins For The Ferryman / Scarlet Sky / Hard Woman / I Always Get What I Want / Night-Time / I'm Not Really A Welder / If You Want It	October 1986
LP Fab Records FAB-L005 (Germany only)	Two Down same as No Lumps Of Fat Or Gristle Guaranteed	1986
LP Re-Elect The President ELECT1	Time Trouble And Money (live at the 100 Club London) I Know What You're Thinking / Boom Boom / I've Got My Mojo Working / Here Is My Number / Rhythm Takes You / Honey / Every Single Day / If You Ever Change Your Mind / Take What You Can Get / What Is Soul	March 1987
compilation Re-Elect The President NIXON1	Smashing Time incl. Honey (early demo)	March 1987
compilation Re-Elect The President NIXON4	The Final Countdown incl. Take What You Can Get (early demo)	1988
mini-LP Fab Records FABML11 (Germany only)	Unchain My Heart What's Left To Do / She Crept Up From Behind / Whole New Reason / Unchain My Heart / I'm Gonna Do It / You're Not Alone / Some Understanding / Crawling Up A Hill	1988
CD Century Records (Japan only) "Rare Stiff Collection"	Rhythm And Soul Take What You Can Get / Feels Like It's Love / Here Is My Number / Only Time Will Tell / Did I Tell You / Honey / I Gotta Move / Where The Rhythm Take You / Every Single Day / The Girl That Touched My Soul / I Know What You're Thinking / Stop This Cryin' Inside bonus: the 4 tracks from the "Pump It Up" 12" single: Pump It Up / Once Again / Walk A Thin Line / Eating Up The Cold	1992
compilation CD Dr. Martins DRM01CD	Generation To Generation incl. Here Is My Number	1997
LP/CD Detour Records DRLP/CD022	Time Trouble And Money (live) - rerelease w/ new artwork (see above)	April 24, 2000
CD Captain Mod Records (withdrawn!)	Rhythm And Soul plus bonustracks Take What You Get / Feels Like It's Love / Here Is My Number / Only Time Will Tell / Did I Tell You / Honey / I Gotta Move / Where The Rhythm Takes You / Every Single Day / The Girl That Touched My Soul / I Know What You're Thinking / Stop This Cryin' Inside / Feels Like It's Love (12") / Nothing Else / I Get A Love From You / Honey (fast version) / Boom Boom / Pump It Up / Walk A Thin Line / Eating Up The Cold / Once Again	2001
CD Big Beat CDWIKD 226	Rhythm! The Complete Countdown Recordings Every Single Day / Boom Boom / Stop This Crying Inside / Did I Tell You / Eating Up The Cold / Feels Like It's Love (12" extended version) / Feels Like It's Love / I Gotta Move / Here Is My Number / Honey / I Get A Love From You / I Know What You're Thinking / Nothing Else / Once Again / Only Time Will Tell / Pump It Up / Where The Rhythm Takes You / I Take What I Want / Take What You Can Get / Girl That Touched My Soul / Walk A Thin Line / Honey (fast version) / Here Is My Number (12" extended version)	March 3, 2003

After Makin' Time split up, Martin Blunt and Fay Hallam formed The Gift Horses with Graham Day (ex-The Prisoners). They released one single, Germany only ...

The Gift Horses (1987)

Martin Blunt (bass) Jon 'Jon Boy' Brookes (drums) Graham Day (vocals) Fay Hallam (organ/vocals)

7" single Pop-I POP 16.1L

Rosemary / Learning To Bring Yourself Down

1987

Germany only; white vinyl, purple/white p/s, 500 only; or black vinyl, green/white p/s

After The Gift Horses split, Graham Day formed The Prime Movers with another ex-The Prisoners, Allan Crockford. After their first album "Sins Of The Fourfathers", Fay Hallam joined the band and played on the German reissue of "Sins Of The Fourfathers". They released two more albums, "Earth Church" and "Arc". Graham Day is now married to Fay Hallam ...
Graham Day and Allan Crockford have since formed the band The Solarflares, and have released two albums. Fay Hallam is now in Phaze, who have released their debut album "Who Do We Think You Are" on the Vinyl Japan record label, late 2002. Allan Crockford plays the guitar for Phaze as well as bass for The Solarflares.

Martin Blunt joined a local Wolverhampton band in mid-1988. This group was fronted by singer/songwriter Barry 'Baz' Kettley, but over the next few months Martin Blunt brought in Jon Brookes on drums and Rob Collins on keyboards. They also came up with a name: THE CHARLATANS. Between November 1988 and May 1989 the band played half-a-dozen gigs around Manchester, the West Midlands and London (the LSE) supporting The Stone Roses.

Meanwhile, The Charlatans recorded several demos, including "Song By The Severn", "Angelica", "Drowning", and "Nothing's Left", all with vocals by Baz. In April 1989, Baz decided to quit just as the others spotted a potential replacement in a local band who'd played a handful of gigs in Manchester and Warrington, as well as one gig supporting The Charlatans (said to be September 30, 1988).

The Electric Crayons (-1989)

Tim Burgess (vocals) Johnny Snake (guitar) Nick Clare (bass) Alex (drums)

7" single Emergency MIV 3	Hip Shake Junkie / Happy To Be Hated	June 1989

The new singer, Tim Burgess was in a band called The Electric Crayons. They mostly played covers by bands like the Stooges, and the Electric Prunes, but have also released one 7" single (see above), which came out around the same time Tim joined The Charlatans (June 1989).

Before The Electric Crayons, Tim Burgess has been playing with a couple of various bands, of which none is known to have played any gigs. However, at least one of those bands pinned down some tracks on tape. Thanks to Dave Reid, the following information is available on this page: Around 1985-1986 Tim Burgess was guitarist (!) in a band called Love Cindy, together with Ian Atherton on bass, Jonah on vocals, and ??? on drums. They made a demo tape featuring 4 tracks: "I'm Not Very Clever But I Can Lift Heavy Things", "She Done Him Wrong", "Once Upon A Time", and "See The Light"(?).

Since then there have been only a few bandmember changes:
Early 1991 guitarist John Baker left the band (later on he formed the band Spin Playground), but was quite quickly replaced by Mark Collins (no relation to Rob). He used to play in the bands The Waltones, and Candlestick Park, and has been a roadie for the Inspiral Carpets, along with Noel Gallagher.

The Waltones (1986-1990)

Mark Collins (guitar) James Knox (vocals, harmonica) Manny Lee (bass, backing vocals) Alex Fyans (drums)

7" single Medium Cool MC 004	Downhill / Closest To	Spring 1987
7" (promo) & 12" single Medium Cool MC 007	She Looks Right Through Me / Special 20 / Burning Conscience	Autumn 1987
compilation LP Medium Cool MC 010	Edge Of The Road - The Medium Cool Sampler incl. The British Disease / Bold
7" & 12" single Medium Cool MC 011	Spell It Out / (I've Got) Nothing / Thanks a Million	Spring 1988
compilation LP/MC Bop Cassettes	Manchester North Of England incl. Smile	October 1988
7" & 12" single Medium Cool MC 016	The Deepest / Failing in Love / Black & Blue (last track wrongly listed on label as Rainfall)	Autumn 1988
LP Medium Cool MC 018	Deepest Everything's Just Fine / The Deepest / Don't Understand / When It All Turns Sour / She's Everywhere But Here / Smile / A Million Different Ways / Rainfall / What's Going Wrong / I've Got Nothing	Spring 1989
compilation LP Rodney	Bananas! incl. She Looks Right Through Me	1989
compilation flexi Zine Fanzine	Zine Sexy Flexi incl. She Looks Right Through Me (demo)	1989
compilation LP Imaginary Records ILLCD600	Stoned Again - A Tribute To The Stones incl. As Tears Go By

Candlestick Park (1990-1991)

Mark Collins (guitar) James Knox (vocals, harmonica) Manny Lee (bass, backing vocals) Adrian Donohue (drums)

12" single Midnight Music DING 67	All The Time In The World / Promised Land / Safe (instrumental)
LP/CD Midnight Music CHIME 01.11	Re-Invent The Wheel All The Time In The World / Haunted / Distorted Mirror / Wheel / Safe / Watch The Clock / Sands Of Time / Step Into The Dark / Big Lie / Take It For Granted / Strange Interlude (recorded February-August 1990 - never released!)

The Waltones and Candlestick Park information and pictures have been taken from Sty In The Sky, the homepage of lead-vocalist James Knox. More (detailed) information about Mark Collins' old bands can be found there. It includes pictures, a biography and a discography. Great stuff!

Since March 1997 Tony Rogers is the band's keyboard/organ player. Before the Charlatans he had his own band, Jobe, together with his brother Don. They released one album ("Rosaries & Ice Cream" on Vicoroy), and two singles ("I Know", and "Earth", both unavailable in the UK).